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Pilgrimage to Badrinath and Sringeri
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"Since his visit to Shringeri Pîtha in the spring of the
year 2000 and his audience by HH Shrî Bhâratî Tîrtha,
Shankarâcârya Paul van Oyen was invited to join the
group of disciples around His Holiness."

Paul van Owen:
http://www.pvanoyen.nl/aboutme.php

Entrance to the estate of Jyotir Math, the Seat
Shankaracharya of the North, which was build by
Shri Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Badarikashram, Jyotir Math,
the Master of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. The current
Shankaracharya is Swami Vasudevananda
Saraswati.

Pilgrimage to Badrinath:
http://tinyurl.com/4c3n2g
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2008-07-05 20:43:53 UTC
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Entrance to the estate of Jyotir Math, the Seat
Shankaracharya of the North, which was build by
Shri Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Badarikashram, Jyotir Math,
the Master of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
THE LEGAL HISTORICAL FACTS ARE:
Shri Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati built NOTHING!!

The Bharat Dharma Mahamandal built the ashram in 1940 and installed
Brahmananda Saraswati as the Jyosimutt acharya.
In fact Brahmananda Saraswati was the second choice!!

see HISTORICAL FACTS cited..
"In 1940, a society known as Bharat Dharma Maha- Mandal or Kashi
made an effort to discover the Math and the effort proved
successful. The relics of the Math were found near Badrikashram. The
land on which the relics were found along with certain other
property on the banks of Varuna in Kashi was acquired by the Society
and thereafter the Society created an endowment of the land by a
deed dated April 11, 1941 in favour of Jyotir Math and Swami
Brahmanand Saraswati (Brahmanand for short), a man renowned for his
piety and vedic learning was installed as the Head of the Math.
Brahmanand died on May 20, 1953...."
http://www.austlii.edu.au/~andrew/CommonLII/INSC/1974/153.html

Also, in 1953, Svāmī Hariharānanda Sarasvatī (popularly known as
Karapātrī Svāmī), another disciple of Brahmānanda Sarasvatī, was seen
as the more deserving candidate to become the Śaṅkarācārya, but he
didn't want the title. In fact, as the head of the Akhila Bhāratīya
Dharmasaṅgha, it is said that Hariharānanda had been the first choice
for the Śaṅkarācārya post in 1941, but he had declined and proposed
his guru's name (Brahmānanda) instead. It is also said that it was
Hariharānanda who convinced his guru to accept the position.
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/

The latest development from this angle is that on February 22, 1999,
the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order,
prohibiting Vāsudevānanda from using the title of Śaṅkarācārya to
collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Svarūpānanda has the better claim to the Jyotirmaṭha title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Śaṅkarācāryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing
of Śāntānanda at Jyotirmaṭha, his disciple and successor seems to have
suffered a legal setback at present.
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
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The current
Shankaracharya is Swami Vasudevananda
Saraswati.
No he is not..Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
He cannot claim that title without his of being thrown in jail
As Dana Sawyer pointed out to you WillyTexie 2 years ago..the battle
is over and Vasudevanada lost.
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Pilgrimage to Badrinath:http://tinyurl.com/4c3n2g
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2008-07-06 17:50:40 UTC
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Entrance to the estate of Jyotir Math, the Seat
Shankaracharya of the North, which was build by
Shri Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Badarikashram, Jyotir Math,
the Master of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
The Bharat Dharma Mahamandal built the ashram
in 1940 and installed Brahmananda Saraswati as
the Jyosimutt acharya.
We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was selected
to be the Shankaracharya by the previous Shankaracharya.

But, it's really a moot point who the current
Shankarachayara is, since that seat was vacant for
over 165 years.

Its a fact that Swami Vasudevanada Saraswati is sitting
on the very seat that the Shankarachayra sat on, wearing
the Shankarachayra's sandlals, and Vasudevanand owns
all the buildings and the property that he inherited from
the Shankaracharya.

It's also a fact that the committee of pundits down in
Kashi have attempted to inject politics into the succussion
process. After installing the Shankaracharya, they should
keep their pie-holes shut about the running of the Mutt and
leave politics out of it.

And the pundits down in Kashi have all been discredited
for starting false rumors in a smear campaign to put the
Swami Svarupanand in the Shankaracharya's seat. Their
rumormongering is just outrageous!
xenayo
2008-07-06 18:48:34 UTC
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We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was selected
to be the Shankaracharya by the previous Shankaracharya.
But, it's really a moot point who the current
Shankarachayara is, since that seat was vacant for
over 165 years.
165 years ... that is a period of one cycle of Neptun orbiting around Sun.
Guru Dev has Neptune in sideral Pisces, and Pluto in sideral Aries.
Very spiritual and physical strong person.
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2008-07-06 20:06:27 UTC
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Entrance to the estate of Jyotir Math, the Seat
Shankaracharya of the North, which was build by
Shri Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati,
Shankaracharya of Badarikashram, Jyotir Math,
the Master of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
The Bharat Dharma Mahamandal built the ashram
in 1940 and installed Brahmananda Saraswati as
the Jyosimutt acharya.
We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. He was selected
to be the Shankaracharya by the previous Shankaracharya.
No Sir again you stray from REALITY into your DELUSIONAL FANTASY..
the Dog and Pony show "lineage" of - Ramji Tripathi/aka Shantananda
to Vishnudevananda to Vasudevananda - was nullified by the District
Court of Allahabad and upheld on subsequent appeals..

.."The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999,
the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order,
prohibiting Vāsudevānanda from using the title of Śaṅkarācārya to
collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Svarūpānanda has the better claim to the Jyotirmaṭha title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Śaṅkarācāryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing
of Śāntānanda at Jyotirmaṭha, his disciple and successor seems to have
suffered a legal setback at present..."
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
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The current
Shankaracharya is Swami Vasudevananda
Saraswati.
No he is not..Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
He cannot claim that title without his of being thrown in jail
As Dana Sawyer pointed out to you WillyTexie 2 years ago..the battle
is over and Vasudevanada lost.
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2008-07-07 00:50:14 UTC
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We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.
Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
"Santananda passed away in late 1997, and Vasudevananda
Sarasvati is currently the sole representative of this lineage."
- Vidyasankar Sundaresan

The Jyotirma?ha Sankaracarya Lineage in the 20th Century:
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
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2008-07-07 18:15:38 UTC
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We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.
Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
"Santananda passed away in late 1997, and Vasudevananda
Sarasvati is currently the sole representative of this lineage."
- Vidyasankar Sundaresan
The Jyotirma?ha Sankaracarya Lineage in the 20th Century:http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
The latest development from this angle is that on February 22, 1999,
the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order,
prohibiting Vāsudevānanda from using the title of Śaṅkarācārya to
collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Svarūpānanda has the better claim to the Jyotirmaṭha title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Śaṅkarācāryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing
of Śāntānanda at Jyotirmaṭha, his disciple and successor seems to have
suffered a legal setback at present.
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/
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2008-07-07 18:48:30 UTC
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The latest development from this angle...
"So the dispute goes on, and is further complicated
by the fact that today, and since 1994, there is a
third person claiming to be the proper acarya of Jyotir
Math, Swami Madhav Asrama, a diksha disciple of
Krsnabodh Asrama, who has gained some measure
of support (according to several Dandis in Banaras)
from a group of Banarsi pandits. His claim to the
gaddi is based on the position that when Svarupananda
accepted the Dwaraka acaryaship in 1982, he made
himself automatically exempt as a candidate for the
Jyotir Math title." - Dana Sawyer

The Rivalry for Jyotir Math:
http://tinyurl.com/4b2jh7
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2008-07-07 20:51:11 UTC
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We've been over this before. The fact is that the Swami
Vasudevananda Saraswati is the only succossor in the
line of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati.
Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
DEHRA DUN: The Uttaranchal Government's move to open the Badrinath
shrine for "darshan" throughout the year has evoked stiff opposition
from religious leaders and priests.
Reacting sharply to the move, Swami Swaroopanand Saraswati,
Sankaracharya of Jyotir Peeth and Dwarika-Sharda Peeth said on Monday
that the very idea of keeping the Badrinath shrine open throughout the
year was against the Hindu religious belief and if the Government
forced such a decision it will bring untold misery to the entire
nation.

http://www.hindu.com/2005/05/17/stories/2005051710490500.htm
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2008-07-08 16:09:37 UTC
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Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
You got this just backwards: It is the Svarupanand that
got locked out of the Jyotirpeeth, for stealing:

"The issue stems from the recent decision of the Congress
government to declare a lockout on the Jyotirmath premises
in an apparent bid to oust Swami Vasudevanand, a move
allegedly chalked out by Swami Swaroopanand.

Soon after the lockout on February 16 this year, Swami
Vasudevanand got a reprieve from a local court against the
government’s decision. And on March 1, the control of the
Jyotirpeeth was handed over to Swami Vasudevanand in
the face of BJP’s agitation over the issue.

Upping the ante, Swami Vasudevanand, who claims to be
real Shankracharya of Jyotirmath Peeth, also filed an FIR
against some followers of Swami Swroopanand accusing
them of carrying out theft in the Peeth premises. Swami
Vasudevanand claimed that he was the real Shankaracharya
and that the recent decision of the local administration to
declare a lockout at the Peeth was politically motivated."

Read more:

'Jyotirmath Peeth'
Deccan Herald, Wednesday, March 30, 2005
http://www.deccanherald.com/
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2008-07-09 23:56:08 UTC
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Vasudevananda has an injunction filed against him.
You got this just backwards: It is the Svarupanand that
"The issue stems from the recent decision of the Congress
government to declare a lockout on the Jyotirmath premises
in an apparent bid to oust Swami Vasudevanand, a move
allegedly chalked out by Swami Swaroopanand.
Soon after the lockout on February 16 this year, Swami
Vasudevanand got a reprieve from a local court against the
government’s decision. And on March 1, the control of the
Jyotirpeeth was handed over to Swami Vasudevanand in
the face of BJP’s agitation over the issue.
Upping the ante, Swami Vasudevanand, who claims to be
real Shankracharya of Jyotirmath Peeth, also filed an FIR
against some followers of Swami Swroopanand accusing
them of carrying out theft in the Peeth premises. Swami
Vasudevanand claimed that he was the real Shankaracharya
and that the recent decision of the local administration to
declare a lockout at the Peeth was politically motivated."
'Jyotirmath Peeth'
Deccan Herald, Wednesday, March 30, 2005http://www.deccanherald.com/
Indeed read more willytex

Again I painfully re-post the stated Legal FACT (and then the FINAL
RULING ON ATHE MATTER BELOW)
T
.."The latest development from this angle is that on February 22,
1999,
the court at Allahabad, Uttar Pradesh, has passed an interim order,
prohibiting Vāsudevānanda from using the title of Śaṅkarācārya to
collect any donations, till the legal case gets resolved either way.
The reasons cited for this order are that his installation is suspect,
and that Svarūpānanda has the better claim to the Jyotirmaṭha title,
both for historical reasons and by virtue of being acknowledged by the
other Śaṅkarācāryas. Thus, notwithstanding the previous legal standing
of Śāntānanda at Jyotirmaṭha, his disciple and successor seems to have
suffered a legal setback at present..."
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/

AND NOW THE *FINAL RULING* ON THE MATTER

..."allahabad: district judge jagmohan paliwal dismissed the revision
application of swami vasudevanand saraswati, and upheld the order of
february 13 passed by civil judge (junior division) west, allahabad.
the civil judge, on february 13 this year had dismissed the two
applications of swami vasudevanand saraswati, whereby he had prayed
that contempt proceedings pending against him be rejected in the light
of the high court order. shankaracharya swami swaroopanand saraswati
has filed a suit, seeking relief that swami vasudevanand saraswati be
restrained by the court from proclaiming himself jagat guru
shankaracharya of jyotirmath badrikashram himalaya. the additional
civil judge (second), allahabad on february 22, 1999 had passed a
temporary injunction, restraining swami vasudevanand, not to proclaim
himself as jagat guru shankaracharya of jyotishpeeth badrikashram
himalaya and work accordingly. after a temporary injunction, swami
swaroopanand saraswati has filed an application in the court of civil
judge here, seek ing relief that punitive action be taken against
swami vasudeva nand under order 39 rule 2(ka) of c.p.c., as he has
intentionally violating the court's injunction order and proclaiming
himself shankaracharya of badrikashram..."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/444328053.cms

*FYI*

Bhagvatpaad Adi Shankaracharya, Incarnation of Lord Shiva, established
four Peethams (Monastaries and Institutions) at four cardinal
directions of India.
The Peethams at East, West, South and North are named as
Sri Govardhan Peetham, Puri (Orissa) Presently headed by
H.H.Nischalananda Saraswati Swamiji,
Sri Sharada Peetham, Dwaraka (Gujarat) Presently headed by
H.H.Swaroopananda Saraswati Swamiji,
Shri Sharada Peetham, Sringeri (Karnataka) Presently headed by
H.H.Bharati Teertha Swamiji and
Shri Jyotish Peetham (Uttaranchal) Presently headed by
H.H.Swaroopananda Saraswati Swamiji.
http://www.govardhanpeetham.org/
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2008-07-06 03:37:52 UTC
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Entrance to the estate of Jyotir Math, the Seat
Shankaracharya of the North...,
Pilgrimage to Badrinath:http://tinyurl.com/4c3n2g
I am assuming you read the PRINT ON THE SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE OF
JYOSIMUTT? courtesy of the 2009 Field Ambulance (Ibex Brigade).
Read items #1 again WillyTexie..just so we are clear.. and I quote..

1). Shankar, Later known as SHANKARACHARYA was born in a family of
Acharya Shiv Guru about 2500 years ago in the village of Kerala.

That was 2500 years ago..503 BCE..As I have said for more than 8 years
now..
Are you not the person who insisted many many times that Adi Shankara
lived about 788AD?

And just answer me a question..(If as you suggest Sri Adi Shankar was
a non-dualist)
..why is Sri Adi Shankara worshipping in devotion the deity of
Bradrinaryan? see item
4.) His holiness Shankaracharya repaired the damaged temple,
reinstalled the idol of Badrinaryan and restated worship of Badrinath.

And why are all the paintings decorating the walls of the temple
dedicated to Lord Krishna? (as shown in the photo above the entrance
sign)

And just one more question if you please..
Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?

And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
Peter
2008-07-06 14:15:05 UTC
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And just one more question if you please..
Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
But advaita Vedanta is a teaching about Brahman or God without a form or
personality. You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group. And if Krishna is a God how come he had sex
with the Goopi girls. And if Krishna was God then I doubt that God would die
from a arrow in his foot.
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2008-07-06 18:04:08 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote...
And just one more question if you please..
Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
But advaita Vedanta is a teaching about Brahman or God without a form or
personality.
That is correect.
But Sri Adi Shankara NEVER taught a path Advaita!

His final work Vivek Chundamani extolls only ONE SINGLE PATH OF BHAKTI
TO SUPREME LORD GOVINDA

And Sri Adi Shankara wrote:
Bhaja Govindam..in praise of Lord Govinda
http://www.kamakoti.org/shlokas/kshlok19.htm

Why would Sri Adi Shankara write a sloka to Lord Krishna/Govinda if He
(as everyone claims- "taught a path Advaita Marg?)??
Post by Peter
You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group.
I am not..for 100th time!!
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And if Krishna is a God how come he had sex
with the Goopi girls.
Lord Krishna had 10,000 wives in Dwarika...so whats your point?

Lord Brahma had Saraswati for a wife &
Lord Vishnu had MahaLakshmi for wife and
Lord Ram had Sita for a wife and
Lord Shiva had Parvati for a wife..
whats your point?
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And if Krishna was God then I doubt that God would die
from a arrow in his foot.
That is exactly how His Divine Descension on this Earth came to a
close.
Whats your point?
Peter
2008-07-06 21:26:10 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote...
And just one more question if you please..
Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
But advaita Vedanta is a teaching about Brahman or God without a form or
personality.
That is correect.
But Sri Adi Shankara NEVER taught a path Advaita!

Okay so everybody misunderstood Sankara exept you!!

His final work Vivek Chundamani extolls only ONE SINGLE PATH OF BHAKTI
TO SUPREME LORD GOVINDA

Viveka Chundamani means crest jewel of dicrimination which is Advaita
Vedanta.


Why would Sri Adi Shankara write a sloka to Lord Krishna/Govinda if He
(as everyone claims- "taught a path Advaita Marg?)??
Ž
To lure krishna devotees into mayavada philosophy. He never believed in
Gods, he believed in the supreme Brahman. The impersonal self of all.
Post by Peter
You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group.
I am not..for 100th time!!

So what is the difference between you and Iskcon belief system.
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Post by Peter
ColdBluIceMan wrote...
And just one more question if you please..
Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
But advaita Vedanta is a teaching about Brahman or God without a form or
personality.
That is correect.
But Sri Adi Shankara NEVER taught a path Advaita!
Okay so everybody misunderstood Sankara exept you!!
At EIGHT YEARS OF AGE Sri Adi Shankarya wrote His commentary of Adwait
Vadi..
He wrote commentaries on the Brahm Sutras and continued writing until
16 years of age.
At sixteen He wrote His final sloka- "Bhajo Govinda" and only taught
His Mother bhakti to Lord Krishna
He wrote a commentary on the Brahm Sutras ..but He never taught the
Brahm Sutras
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His final work Vivek Chundamani extolls only ONE SINGLE PATH OF BHAKTI
TO SUPREME LORD GOVINDA
Viveka Chundamani means crest jewel of dicrimination which is Advaita
Vedanta.
Read the 2nd half of the book..
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Why would Sri Adi Shankara write a sloka to Lord Krishna/Govinda if He
(as everyone claims- "taught a path Advaita Marg?)??
´
To lure krishna devotees into mayavada philosophy.
He never taught "mayavadi" philopsophy..
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He never believed in
Gods, he believed in the supreme Brahman. The impersonal self of all.
No thats is not what He believed..He only taught one single path of
bhakti..that is why His final sloka was- "Bhajo Govinda"
And the only person He ever taught anything to was His Mother.
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Post by Peter
You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group.
I am not..for 100th time!!
So what is the difference between you and Iskcon belief system.
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2008-07-07 18:52:44 UTC
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He never taught "mayavadi" philopsophy..
"...such an early date is not consistent with the
fact that Sankara quotes the Buddhist logician
Dharmakirti, who finds mention in Huen Tsang
(7th c.). Also, his near-contemporary Kumarila
Bhatta is usually dated ca. 8th c. AD. Most
scholars feel that due to invasions and other
discontinuities, the records of the Dwarka and
Puri mathas are not as reliable as those for
Sringeri."

Source:

Adi Shankara 788–820 CE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara
Peter
2008-07-08 18:31:28 UTC
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You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group.
I am not..for 100th time!!
So what is the difference between you and Iskcon belief system.
You dont want to answer that question why?.
Peter
2008-07-08 18:48:14 UTC
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No thats is not what He believed..He only taught one single path of
bhakti..that is why His final sloka was- "Bhajo Govinda"
And the only person He ever taught anything to was His Mother.
Okay so because he wrote "Bhajo Govinda" then this statement annul
everything else that he wrote??. Absurd Steve absurd. You should apply for
the return of your money to TM, you missed their entire teaching. you just
didnt get it.
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2008-07-09 23:39:07 UTC
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No thats is not what He believed..He only taught one single path of
bhakti..that is why His final sloka was- "Bhajo Govinda"
And the only person He ever taught anything to was His Mother.
Okay so because he wrote "Bhajo Govinda" then this statement annul
everything else that he wrote??. Absurd Steve absurd. You should apply for
the return of your money to TM, you missed their entire teaching. you just
didnt get it.
No you did not get "it"...you are guilty of mis-quoting and completley
mis-understanding the teaching of Sri Adi Shankara
Here is what (as willytex pointed out.."the oldest living disciple of
Brahmananda Saraswati) the Shankaracharya of Jyosimutt and Dwarika
Sharada Peeth- Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati has said regarding this
very topic..

.."Shankaracharya Swaroopanand Saraswati: I was also his disciple,
Brahmanand Saraswati's. He was my Guru. He would not accept any
offerings from his disciples.
Disciple should be such that he gives to his Guru everything. Then
nothing belongs to the disciple, everything is Guru's. Guru should be
such that he does not take anything from the disciple. He thinks only
good of his disciple.

Q: My Lord, Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati Ji Maharaj, who is
our pujyapaad (whose feet are worthy of our respect), who is
brahmaleen (absorbed in Brahma, the omnipresent form of God) who is
presiding over the Jyotirpith, who is the teacher of the entire
universe - that he used to instruct mantras to his disciples. I would
like to know which mantras were those?

Shankaracharya: The Lord, Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati Ji
Maharaj strictly adhered to the varna (caste) and ashram (four stages
of life) systems. He believed in one's varna by birth. Whosoever came
to him to become a disciple, he used to ask him which form of God he
was in love with. Whichever form the new disciple had an interest in,
that form he would explain to the new disciple. [Guru Dev] used to
explain, either you should depend on your own inclination or else, he,
after understanding your previous life and which form of God you
worshipped then, would instruct the initiate accordingly.
Without having an ishtadevata (a personal form of God), no one could
have a mantra from him. The very meaning of mantra is ishtadevata.
Therefore, along with every mantra, thinking or reflecting over the
form of the ishtadevata is essential. Therefore, in all the modes of
worship, one reflects over one's ishtadevata before chanting or
meditating with one's mantra.

Q: The religion that Guru Dev preached was connected with five forms
of God-Devatas-such as Pancha Devupasana and so what relation has it
with Vedic Sanatan Dharma (worship of God) as well as in regard to the
varna (caste system) and ashram (four stages of life) systems?

Shankaracharya: The Lord, Adi Shankara was a great exponent of Vedic
Sanatana Dharma. God, he taught, is grouped into six forms. He
preached six types - five based on forms of God like Shiva, Shakti,
Vishnu, etc. and one, Nirakar, without form. However, the worship of
God without form being extremely difficult was reserved for
renunciates. That is what Adi Shankaracharya had instructed.
Bhagavan Shree Shankara revived Vedic Sanatan Dharma. He said God has
six forms. So accordingly, Maharaj Ji gave upadesha (initiation) to
meditate upon those forms for the sake of our worship.

Q: Brahmananda Saraswati did not charge any fees when he used to
initiate?

Shankaracharya: This is a principle. A quotation from Goswami
Tulsidas:-
"The guru who charges or takes money from his disciples in return for
initiation, steals disciple's property and goes to damnable hell."
For that reason Gurudeva used to give upadesha (initiation) without
any fees. He used to say "If I accept any gift from the disciple (or
fees), then his sins are transmitted to me."
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/SwamiSwaroopanand.htm

Now Peter here is the Shankaracharya of Puri Peeth visitng the 3
dieties
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1647871839901398592

And what of this (my point to follow Peter ..so try and pay attention)

.."Likewise, the National Chairperson of the Sri Sri Jagadguru
Shankaracharya Puri Peeth, Vedmurty Dhananjay Vaidyashastri said that,
"Like other communities do, every Hindu should respect and have pride
for Hindu Dharma and its religious leaders (Dharmagurus). It is the
need of the hour for all Hindus to unite against the onslaughts
occuring on Hindu Dharma from all directions. Everybody should get
equipped for the testing times that the future holds in store."

In the present times, Hindu Dharma is being attacked from all
directions because the Hindu community is not united and does not
practice Dharma due to lack of religious education. In order to
sustain Dharma in such testing times, Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha's are
being organised at 30 places in the states of Maharashtra, Goa and
Karnataka. Out of them, this was the 6th Sabha which took place in the
holy presence of saints.."
http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3878.html


Bhagvatpaad Adi Shankaracharya, Incarnation of Lord Shiva, established
four Peethams (Monastaries and Institutions) at four cardinal
directions of India.
The Peethams at East, West, South and North are named as
Sri Govardhan Peetham, Puri (Orissa) Presently headed by
H.H.Nischalananda Saraswati Swamiji,
Sri Sharada Peetham, Dwaraka (Gujarat) Presently headed by
H.H.Swaroopananda Saraswati Swamiji,
Shri Sharada Peetham, Sringeri (Karnataka) Presently headed by
H.H.Bharati Teertha Swamiji and
Shri Jyotish Peetham (Uttaranchal) Presently headed by
H.H.Swaroopananda Saraswati Swamiji.
http://www.govardhanpeetham.org/

MY POINT PETER..WHEN A REASONABLY sane and thinking person
investigates the established Peeths of Adi Shankara..all we find is
DEVOTION/BHAKTI TO PERSONAL FORM OF GOD..LORD KRISHNA!
WE ALSO FIND NO MENTION OF THE "NIRAKAR BRAHMA (subordinate formless
form of God) " as being in any way superior to teh Superior Supreme
Form Of God Lord Krishna!!

To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
Peter
2008-07-10 21:00:38 UTC
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But you still have not answered my question. Why ?? Steve Why. And what
about Adi SankaraŽs commnentaryŽs on the Brahma Sutra. Where he describes
the process towards the impersonal Brahman. Any textbook on hinduism
describes the hinduworldview as impersonal like the Buddhism. And if this is
so as you say how come the Sankaracharya do not support your dualistic
theistic religion. Cant you see its like saying that christanity is really
Moslem in its core nature. It is so sick end deranged, nobody believes you
nobody, and if this is the bullshit they teach in Barsana Dham then it
should be closed.
C***@gmail.com
2008-07-11 03:20:16 UTC
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But you still have not answered my question. Why ?? Steve Why.
Not here to engage in meaningless off-topic discussions regarding my
religion..
Post by Peter
And what
about Adi Sankara´s commnentary´s on the Brahma Sutra.
What about them?
Post by Peter
Where he describes
the process towards the impersonal Brahman.
He never described any "process towards the impersonal brahman"
thingy.
You made that up.
Post by Peter
Any textbook on hinduism
describes the hinduworldview as impersonal like the Buddhism. And if this is
so as you say how come the Sankaracharya do not support your dualistic
theistic religion.
Apparently either you cannot read or you have difficulty
comprehending..

In case you have not noticed I posted the official websites of (or
links to) the four Peeth s and their current ShankarAcharya s. (and
past Shankaracharyas)..
NO WHERE DO WE FIND in reading from these sites any "process towards
the impersonal brahman" thingy..
in any of the 4 established at Dwarika/Jyosimutt & Sringeri & Puri!

What we do find however is ONE SINGLE PATH OF BHAKTI TO SUPREME
PERSONAL FORM OF GOD- Lord Krishna!

We Hindus (950 milion+) do not rely on "text books" to learn our
religion.
We have studied with Acharyas ..either of the the Sri Shankara or Sri
Madhav (Vaishnava tradiiton) or Sri Vallabha (Pushti Marg) or others
and learned the teachings from
true Acharyas..and not relied on text books.

Or wikipedia in willytex's case.

If we cannot find in the current 4 original Peeths-(established by Sri
Adi Shankar himself) a "philosophy of mayavadi" or "process towards
the impersonal brahman" thingy or "buddhist philosphy"
taught by the current Shankaracharyas..who are we supposed top
believe?

You Peter..who does not make any sense at all?
Post by Peter
Cant you see its like saying that christanity is really
Moslem in its core nature. It is so sick end deranged, nobody believes you
nobody, and if this is the bullshit they teach in Barsana Dham then it
should be closed.
Now this is a fine example of hate-filled rhetoric similar to
willytex's..
Peter you have made my point!
You have no clue!
s***@gmail.com
2008-07-11 13:27:40 UTC
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.
But you still have not answered my question. Why ?? Steve Why.
Peter..Not here to answer your off-topic question regarding my
religion.

Snipping out (quotes of current ShankarAcharyas) and not responding to
my salient points *DOES NOT QUALIFY* as alucid response!
Post by Peter
And what
about Adi Sankara´s commnentary´s on the Brahma Sutra.
What about it?
Post by Peter
Where he describes
the process towards the impersonal Brahman.
What are you talking about?
He never described any "process toward impersonal brahman" thingy..You
made that up.
Post by Peter
Any textbook on hinduism
describes the hinduworldview as impersonal like the Buddhism.
Peter..we Hindus DONOT learn out religion from "textbooks" as you well
know "textbooks" are written by western university professors.
And are of very little use to sincere seekers of God.
Post by Peter
And if this is
so as you say how come the Sankaracharya do not support your dualistic
theistic religion.
Peter apparently you have not been paying attention ..or you cannot
read!!
In my previous post I listed the *OFFICIAL WEBSITES*(OR LINKS TO) of
the *CURRENT & PAST SHANKARACHARYAS of the 4 ORIGINAL PEETH s
*ESTABLISHED BY SRI ADI SHANKAR* at Dwarika/Jyosimutt & Puri &
Sringeri.
*NOWHERE do you we find any mention of -- "a process toward impersonal
brahman".

What we do find however is the *AUTHENTIC TEACHINGS* of Sri Shankara
being expounded upon by these current Acharyas, and all of the current
and past Shankar Acharyas have expounded upon the same *ONE SINGLE
PATH OF BHAKTI* AS ORIGINALLY TAUGHT BY SRI ADI SHANKARA 2500 YEARS
AGO!!

We Hindus (955 million) have learned our religion from the divine
Acharyas such as Sri Adi Shankar-(ShankarAcharya Tradition) and Sri
Madhav Acharya (Vaishnava Tradition) and, or the Sri Vallabh Acharya
(Pushit Marga) and others regarding only Bhakti to Supreme Personal
From of Bhagawan(God) -Lord Krishna-.
Post by Peter
Cant you see its like saying that christanity is really
Moslem in its core nature. It is so sick end deranged, nobody believes you
nobody, and if this is the bullshit they teach in Barsana Dham then it
should be closed.
Well more of your angry hate-filled rhetoric..you are beginning to
sound like Willytex..spewing forth hatred towards Bhaktas.
All the while demonstrating complete ignorance of the topic at hand.
C***@gmail.com
2008-07-12 00:31:26 UTC
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But you still have not answered my question. Why ?? Steve Why.
Well Peter if you had an intelligent thoughtful question ..but if you
are referring to this "question"..
Post by Peter
Okay so because he wrote "Bhajo Govinda" then this statement annul
everything else that he wrote??.
Yes Peter it certainly does as it *WAS HIS FINAL WORK* and statement..
at age 16 years before He -
Adi Shankar taught his mother Bhakti to Lord Krishna and said-, I (Sri
Adi Shankar) want to live live the rest of my life..
..sitting on the banks of the Ganga River..drinking only Her
water..and singing on His-(Lord Krishna's) name.."
Post by Peter
And what
about Adi Sankara´s commnentary´s on the Brahma Sutra.
What about it?..He only said that there were 3 eternal powers-
(Bhagawan & Atma & Maya).. and in HIS(Adi Shankar's) DIVINE PERCEPTION
ALL WERE ONE!

That was Sri Adi Shankar's **DIVINE PERCEPTION!!**...*NOT OURS*!..as
our perception is only material and limited..afterall Peter how far
can you see?
Post by Peter
Where he describes
the process towards the impersonal Brahman.
Well Peter.. in case you have not been paying attention I have posted
the websites (and or links) to the 4 Original Peeths-(Dwarika/
Jyosimutt & Sringeri & Puri) established by Sri Adi Shankar.
And, at those 4 original Peeths there resides the current
ShankarAcharyas..And yet *NOT ONE SINGLE*Shankaracharya propagates any
path or "process towards an impersonal brahman".

At Dwarika/Jyosimutt the Jagadguru Swami Swaroopananda Saraswati had
already revealed (some 20+ years ago) the teaching of both -- *SRI ADI
SHANKAR & Swami Brahmananda Saraswati--..
And, I posted that information already.. so there isn't any point in
doing so again..as you will ignore what Swaroopananda Saraswati has
said!

However I again question you Peter..
If we cannot find any mention of a -- "process towards impersonal
brahman"-- in any of the Peeths/Maths of Adi Shankar..
Nor can we find any *PAST or CURRENT* Jagadguru ShankarAcharya
propagating such a "prcoess"..

It is simply a false assertion on your part to suggest on even exists!
Post by Peter
Any textbook on hinduism
describes the hinduworldview as impersonal like the Buddhism.
FYI..we Hindus do not learn our religion from "textbooks"..We learn it
from the Descended Divine Acharyas of this age-- Sri Adi Shankar
Acharya-(Shankaracharya tradition) and
Sri Madhav Acharya-(Vaishnava tradition) and Sri Vallabha Acharya-
(Pushti Marg) and the other Divine Acharyas.
Post by Peter
And if this is
so as you say how come the Sankaracharya do not support your dualistic
theistic religion. Cant you see its like saying that christanity is really
Moslem in its core nature. It is so sick end deranged, nobody believes you
nobody, and if this is the bullshit they teach in Barsana Dham then it
should be closed.
Just wonderful Peter ..more hate-filled rhetoric and dis-respect for
the Supremke Personal Form OF Bhagawan..you sound like Willytex.
Peter
2008-07-11 22:37:42 UTC
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MY POINT PETER..WHEN A REASONABLY sane and thinking person
investigates the established Peeths of Adi Shankara..all we find is
DEVOTION/BHAKTI TO PERSONAL FORM OF GOD..LORD KRISHNA!
WE ALSO FIND NO MENTION OF THE "NIRAKAR BRAHMA (subordinate formless
form of God) " as being in any way superior to teh Superior Supreme
Form Of God Lord Krishna!!
If that WAS so then all India would be a Nation of krishna devotees. But
they are not and why? because Vaishnava Culture is like Sikhism partly
Muslim, it is not a part of Indian Hindu culture in the heart of matter.
Post by C***@gmail.com
To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
But you see there is no Vaishnava bhakta culture in India!, this so called
Vaishnava culture is just Moslem manipulation with the holy shastra. Take
Bhagavad Gita, when Krishna expose his innerself to Ajruna he shows him his
"Universal" form, KrishnaŽs impersonal being, his true beeing.
C***@gmail.com
2008-07-12 00:41:47 UTC
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MY POINT PETER..WHEN A REASONABLY sane and thinking person
investigates the established Peeths of Adi Shankara..all we find is
DEVOTION/BHAKTI TO PERSONAL FORM OF GOD..LORD KRISHNA!
WE ALSO FIND NO MENTION OF THE "NIRAKAR BRAHMA (subordinate formless
form of God) " as being in any way superior to teh Superior Supreme
Form Of God Lord Krishna!!
If that WAS so then all India would be a Nation of krishna devotees. But
they are not and why? because Vaishnava Culture is like Sikhism partly
Muslim, it is not a part of Indian Hindu culture in the heart of matter.
Post by C***@gmail.com
To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
But you see there is no Vaishnava bhakta culture in India!, this so called
Vaishnava culture is just Moslem manipulation with the holy shastra.
You have no clue as to what you are talking about Peter!!

Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!

..."Sri Madhvacarya, also known as Vasudeva, Ananda Tirtha and
Purnaprajna, is one of India’s greatest theologians. He is the founder
of dvaita philosophy, and along with Sankaracarya, is one of the most
important commentators on the Upanisads, Bhagavad-gita and the Brahma-
sutras. His doctrine asserts that this world is real and that there is
an eternal and immutable difference between the individual soul and
God.

What is known of Madhva’s personal life is largely taken from the
Madhva-vijaya, a work by Narayana Bhatta, who was the son of a direct
disciple of Madhva. Madhvacarya was born of Tulu speaking parents in
the Karnataka region of South-west India near present day Udupi. The
Madhva-vijaya mentions how the young Vasudeva, Madhva’s boyhood name,
expressed a desire to become an ascetic as early as age 8.

Madhva’s parents naturally objected and so it was not until he was
about 16 years of age that Madhva was able to leave home and become a
sannyasi. From then on the young Vasudeva became known as Ananda
Tirtha, the name given to him by his sannyasa guru. Ananda Tirtha
later assumed the name Madhva by which he is most commonly known
today. In many of his writings Madhva openly identifies himself as the
third incarnation of mukhya-prana (Primal Breath) alluded to in the Rg
Veda. It is
said that mukhya-prana takes the form of the wind-god (Vayudeva) and
descends into this mortal world in three successive incarnations: as
Hanuman, the follower of Rama, as Bhimasena, one of the Pandava, and
finally as Madhva, who in Kali-yuga appears in the guise of a
sannyasi. Ananda Tirtha’s followers readily accept and worship him as
Madhva, the incarnation of Vayudeva. Sometimes Ananda Tirtha is also
known as Purnaprajna due to his display of vast learning..."
.."Madhva chose the clay (gopi-candana) that was used for the ship’s
ballast. Upon washing the clay, Madhvacarya discovered a beautiful
image of Sri Krishna, which He personally carried to Udupi and began
to worship. This image of
Krishna is still worshipped today in the central temple of Udupi, The
Krishna Mutt. Madhva’s Udupi temple is one of the most important
Krishna temples in all of India. It is said that the lamp beside this
image of Krishna was lit by Madhvacarya himself and has never been
extinguished. ."
http://www.dharmakshetra.com/sages/Saints/madvacharya.html

.."This viewing window is decorated with carvings depicting the ten
incarnations of Vishnu. Through the nine small holes of the window we
see the tiny icon of Sri Krishna as a small boy. He holds the churning
rod in His right hand and rope in his left. On his face is the look of
pure innocence. This is the only original icon of this kind in the
whole world.
Even the lamps burning by the side of Krishna have a history that
spans centuries. The lamp lighted by Sri Madhva is kept burning even
to this day and is well protected. It was never allowed to get
extinguished. .." Sri Krishna Mutt
http://www.dvaita.org/madhva/udupi/krishna_mutt.html
Post by Peter
Take
Bhagavad Gita, when Krishna expose his innerself to Ajruna he shows him his
"Universal" form, Krishna´s impersonal being, his true beeing.
No Peter you are VERY DEEPLY CONFUSED!!
Peter
2008-07-12 11:21:50 UTC
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Post by C***@gmail.com
To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
Oh yes we have.
Post by Peter
But you see there is no Vaishnava bhakta culture in India!, this so called
Vaishnava culture is just Moslem manipulation with the holy shastra.
You have no clue as to what you are talking about Peter!!

Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!

Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
Post by Peter
Take
Bhagavad Gita, when Krishna expose his innerself to Ajruna he shows him his
"Universal" form, KrishnaŽs impersonal being, his true beeing.
No Peter you are VERY DEEPLY CONFUSED!!

No no Steve anybody who read chapter 11 in Shankara’s Commentary on the
Bhagavad Gita can see that Krishna is not a God in a form, he is formless,
he is the supreme Brahman one without a second.

In B.G. 11.11 "Wearing heavenly garlands and apparel, anointed with heavenly
scents, abounding in all kinds of wonder, resplendent, infinite, and with
faces everywhere."

Our beloved Adi Sankara wrote in his commentary: "He is the self of all
beeings".
Because Steve all is one, all is the impersonal Brahman. There can be no
question about this.

Jai Sat Chit Ananda
P
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2008-07-12 14:48:15 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote.
To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
Oh yes we have.
Post by Peter
But you see there is no Vaishnava bhakta culture in India!, this so called
Vaishnava culture is just Moslem manipulation with the holy shastra.
You have no clue as to what you are talking about Peter!!
Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!
Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
No I don't follow Sri Madhav Acharya..I was making apoint!
You said there wasnot a Vaishnava Tradition in India!!

You are an Idiot!
Post by Peter
Post by Peter
Take
Bhagavad Gita, when Krishna expose his innerself to Ajruna he shows him his
"Universal" form, Krishna´s impersonal being, his true beeing.
No Peter you are VERY DEEPLY CONFUSED!!
No no Steve anybody who read chapter 11 in Shankara’s Commentary on the
Bhagavad Gita can see that Krishna is not a God in a form, he is formless,
he is the supreme Brahman one without a second.
How can a "formless" God appear to Arjuna?
How could Arjuna see Him?
or any of the Pandavas?
How could His *FORM* be descrubed?

(your un-educated response here)

YOUR STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY ILLOGICAL!

EVERYTHING HAS FORM!

IT WOULD BE *NOTHING* WITHOUT FORM!...YOU PETER ARE AN IDIOT!
Post by Peter
In B.G. 11.11 "Wearing heavenly garlands and apparel, anointed with heavenly
scents, abounding in all kinds of wonder, resplendent, infinite, and with
faces everywhere."
WHO IS WEARING GARLANDS!!

(
Post by Peter
Our beloved Adi Sankara wrote in his commentary: "He is the self of all
beeings".
Because Steve all is one, all is the impersonal Brahman. There can be no
question about this.
There is no "impersonal brahman" accroding to Sri Adi Shankar!
Its called "Nirakar Brahma" _(as pointed out by "the oldest living
disciple of Brahmananda Saraswati)-
Post by Peter
Jai Sat Chit Ananda
P
Peter
2008-07-13 09:55:15 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote.
Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!
Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
No I don't follow Sri Madhav Acharya..I was making apoint!
You said there wasnot a Vaishnava Tradition in India!!

But sir Steve you see when the Moslem invaders came to India, they had to
kill Indians in the number of millions, so at one point they decided to
trick the Indians into Islam. They knew that Indians would rather die than
swap religion. So they made up this fake Vaishnava religion on the premises
that if Hindues could worship God in a Personal form, then they could later
convert to the fake religion of Islam. Sir you are a not a Hindu you are a
crypto Moslem. Get over it Steve and Get out of Barsana Dham while your
eternal soul can saved, think of your family, do you want your daugthers to
take rebirth in som Moslem Hell hole like Iraq or Afghanistan
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2008-07-13 15:28:49 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote.
Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!
Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
No I don't follow Sri Madhav Acharya..I was making apoint!
You said there wasnot a Vaishnava Tradition in India!!
But sir Steve you see when the Moslem invaders came to India, they had to
kill Indians in the number of millions, so at one point they decided to
trick the Indians into Islam. They knew that Indians would rather die than
swap religion. So they made up this fake Vaishnava religion on the premises
that if Hindues could worship God in a Personal form, then they could later
convert to the fake religion of Islam. Sir you are a not a Hindu you are a
crypto Moslem. Get over it Steve and Get out of Barsana Dham while your
eternal soul can saved, think of your family, do you want your daugthers to
take rebirth in som Moslem Hell hole like Iraq or Afghanistan
s***@gmail.com
2008-07-13 15:47:58 UTC
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ColdBluIceMan wrote:...
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ColdBluIceMan wrote.
Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!
Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
No I don't follow Sri Madhav Acharya..I was making apoint!
You said there wasnot a Vaishnava Tradition in India!!
But sir Steve you see when the Moslem invaders came to India, they had to
kill Indians in the number of millions, so at one point they decided to
trick the Indians into Islam. They knew that Indians would rather die than
swap religion. So they made up this fake Vaishnava religion on the premises
that if Hindues could worship God in a Personal form, then they could later
convert to the fake religion of Islam. Sir you are a not a Hindu you are a
crypto Moslem. Get over it Steve and Get out of Barsana Dham while your
eternal soul can saved, think of your family, do you want your daugthers to
take rebirth in som Moslem Hell hole like Iraq or Afghanistan
You are indeed the most ignorant person (aside from Willytex) I have
yet to meet here at a.m.t.
You lack the capacity for logical debate on any topic!

Vedic Vaishnava Tradition has its roots in the very beginning of
Vedic culture prior to Muslim invasion of India!

The four main Acharayas are
1). Sri Nimbarka Acharya (some debate to actual appearance date..some
claim His birth prior to Sri Adi Shankar in 503 BCE)
2). Sri Ramunja Acharya
3). Sri Madhava Acharya

4). Sri Vallabha Acharya (Actually founded Pushti Marg)

See links cited

.."Ritualistic worship of Vishnu is prevalent since the Vedic period.
The greatest Vaishnav is Shiva and the greatest Shaiva is Vishnu
because They worship each other.

1. According to the Vaishnavite doctrines
‘Vishnu is also worshipped in sixteen steps (shodashopachar puja) like
the other deities. Tulsi leaves are essential for His worship. If
lotuses are available, it is even better. Khir (a sweet delicacy made
from milk and rice or vermicelli) or shira (a sweet delicacy made from
semolina, pure clarified butter and sugar) is Vishnu’s favourite holy
sacrament (naivedya). The main ritualistic worship is performed as
follows: The worship should be done throughout the year using a
different Name every month. It should be done on the twelfth day
(dvadashi) of the Hindu lunar month. Keshav in the month of
Margashirsha, Narayan in Poush, Madhav in Magh, Govind in Phalgun,
Vishnu in Chaitra, Madhusudan in Vaishakh, Trivikram in Jyeshtha,
Vaman in Ashadh, Shridhar in Shravan, Hrushikesh in Bhadrapad,
Padmanabh in Ashvin and Damodar in Kartik should be the Names used in
the worship. The idol made of gold should be draped in white cloth and
installed on a pot (kalash). Every substance in the worship should be
offered chanting the twelve letter mantra, “Om Namo Bhagvate
Vasudevaya
http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/why-are-tulsi-leaves-offered-to-lord-vishnu.html


.."Shri Nimbarka Sampradaya is the first of the Vedantic Vaishnava
traditions. Vaishnavism is a religion within Hindu culture which
occurs simultaneously with Sanatana Vaidika Dharma. The main focus is
Lord Krishna who is acknowledged throughout the Vedic literature as
the Supreme Lord. Within Vaisnavism, there are only FOUR BONAFIDE
Vaisnava schools. (Later schools claim authenticity by claiming to be
offshoots of these four). Nimbarka Sampradaya is first, followed by
11th Century CE Ramanuja Sampradaya (Shri Sampradaya), 13th Century CE
Madhva Sampradaya (Brahma Sampradaya) and 16th Century CE Pushti
Maarga / Vallabha Sampradaya (Rudra Sampradaya). Shri Hamsa Bhagavan
- Shri Radha Krishna Bhagavan incarnates to start off the teachings of
this Sampradaya..
http://nimbarka.wordpress.com/shri-nimbarka-sampradaya/shri-acharya-parampara-the-guru-disciple-lineage/
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2008-07-12 15:10:08 UTC
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To put it mildly ..you and willytex have NO CLUE what you are talking
about
Oh yes we have.
*NO YOU DON'T* ..I can prove logically that do not..below
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But you see there is no Vaishnava bhakta culture in India!, this so called
Vaishnava culture is just Moslem manipulation with the holy shastra.
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You have no clue as to what you are talking about Peter!!
Sri Madhava Acharya (1238-1317 A.D.) was attributed as one of the
greatest Vashnava Saints of all time!!
Okay so you follow Madhva, but that is not advaita vedanta. By any means.
No I do not folow Sri Madhav Acharya..I was making a point!
You-Peter claim-, "that there does not exist in India a Vaishnava
Tradition"

You have an IDIOT!
Post by Peter
Take Bhagavad Gita, when Krishna expose his innerself to Ajruna he shows him
his "Universal" form, Krishna´s impersonal being, his true beeing.
You have *completely and utterly mis-understood* what was written..

Lord Krishna revealed to Arjuna that..
ALL FORMS OF BHAGAWAN (including Lord Ram & Lord Vishnu & Lord Shiva &
Nirakar Brahm) are
*WITHIN* HIS SUPREME PERSONAL FORM!!

AND YOU PROVE THIS VERY POINT BELOW!!
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No Peter you are VERY DEEPLY CONFUSED!!
No no Steve anybody who read chapter 11 in Shankara’s Commentary on the
Bhagavad Gita can see that Krishna is not a God in a form, he is formless,
he is the supreme Brahman one without a second.
IT IS TOTALLY ILLOGICAL!
HOW CAN A FORMLESS "brahman" appear in front of Arjuna?

Lord Krishna appeared and revealed that the "Nirakar Brahma (Formless
God) EXISTS **WITH IN** HIM!!
As well as ALL OTHER FORMS!!

You have no clue as to what you are talking about!
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In B.G. 11.11 "Wearing heavenly garlands and apparel, anointed with heavenly
scents, abounding in all kinds of wonder, resplendent, infinite, and with
faces everywhere."
Thats right Peter..who is wearing garlands?
Who has heavenly scents?
Who is resplendent?

(answer- Lord Govinda)
Post by Peter
Our beloved Adi Sankara wrote in his commentary: "He is the self of all
beeings".
He-(Lord Govinda) is Paramatma of all beings!..Bhajo Govindam..

Thats what Sri Adi Shankar said!
Post by Peter
Because Steve all is one, all is the impersonal Brahman. There can be no
question about this.
Yes Peter ..as this is what Jyothirmath/Dwarika ShankarAcharya
Swaroopananda Saraswati ("the oldest living disciple of Brahmananda
Saraswati) has said..
Shankaracharya: The Lord, Shankaracharya Brahmananda Saraswati Ji
Maharaj strictly adhered to the varna (caste) and ashram (four stages
of life) systems. He believed in one's varna by birth. Whosoever came
to him to become a disciple, he used to ask him which form of God he
was in love with. Whichever form the new disciple had an interest in,
that form he would explain to the new disciple. [Guru Dev] used to
explain, either you should depend on your own inclination or else, he,
after understanding your previous life and which form of God you
worshipped then, would instruct the initiate accordingly.
Without having an ishtadevata (a personal form of God), no one could
have a mantra from him. The very meaning of mantra is ishtadevata.
Therefore, along with every mantra, thinking or reflecting over the
form of the ishtadevata is essential. Therefore, in all the modes of
worship, one reflects over one's ishtadevata before chanting or
meditating with one's mantra.

Q: The religion that Guru Dev preached was connected with five forms
of God-Devatas-such as Pancha Devupasana and so what relation has it
with Vedic Sanatan Dharma (worship of God) as well as in regard to the
varna (caste system) and ashram (four stages of life) systems?

Shankaracharya: The Lord, Adi Shankara was a great exponent of Vedic
Sanatana Dharma. God, he taught, is grouped into six forms. He
preached six types - five based on forms of God like Shiva, Shakti,
Vishnu, etc. and one, Nirakar, without form. However, the worship of
God without form being extremely difficult was reserved for
renunciates. That is what Adi Shankaracharya had instructed.
Bhagavan Shree Shankara revived Vedic Sanatan Dharma. He said God has
six forms. So accordingly, Maharaj Ji gave upadesha (initiation) to
meditate upon those forms for the sake of our worship.
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/SwamiSwaroopanand.htm

Read it again..IDIOT!!

*FYI*
There is'nt any "impersonal brahman"
The "Brahmana" is part of the Veda s.
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Jai Sat Chit Ananda
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Peter
2008-07-09 15:46:55 UTC
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Why would Sri Adi Shankara write a sloka to Lord Krishna/Govinda if He
(as everyone claims- "taught a path Advaita Marg?)??
Ž
To lure krishna devotees into mayavada philosophy. He never believed in
Gods, he believed in the supreme Brahman. The impersonal self of all.
Post by Peter
You say your not á hare krishna devotee but how come you speak
their cause here in the group.
I am not..for 100th time!!
So what is the difference between you and Iskcon belief system.
So you did not care to answer, now my guess is that there is no difference
between Iskcon and Barsama Dham.
w***@yahoo.com
2008-07-06 18:09:21 UTC
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SHANKARACHARYA was born in a family of Acharya Shiv
Guru about 2500 years ago in the village of Kerala...
You are mistaken, Sir. According to the Shankaracharya of
Sringeri, the Adi Shankaracharyya was born in 788 AD. You
need to stop spreading this mis-information around all over
the internet. You've already been discreditied as to the facts of
the matter. You need to get some smarts and stop supporting
all this nonsense with the Svarupanand, the Prakashanand,
and the impostors at the Kanchipuram. Everyone knows that
the Adi Shankaracharya taught Adwaita Vedanta. You need
to get your facts straight.

Letter to Svarupananda:
http://tinyurl.com/3euoba

Godman in the Dock:
http://rwilliams.blogspot.com/
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Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
Badrinath is the Nath Siddha, the Buddha, you fool! The Badri
'Tree of Knowldge' is the Bodhi Tree.
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
All Buddhists worship the Buddha, the Enlightenend One as
the image of Sri Badri at Badrinath. The Adi Shankara was
a good Buddhist, so he restored the ancient Buddhist temple
at Badri and he put the Badri Buddha statue inside.
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2008-07-06 20:10:33 UTC
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SHANKARACHARYA was born in a family of Acharya Shiv
Guru about 2500 years ago in the village of Kerala...
You are mistaken, Sir. According to the Shankaracharya of
Sringeri, the Adi Shankaracharyya was born in 788 AD.
It was your link STUPID!!
Here read it again
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http://tinyurl.com/4c3n2g
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Who is the deity of Sri Badrinaryan?
Badrinath is the Nath Siddha, the Buddha, you fool! The Badri
'Tree of Knowldge' is the Bodhi Tree.
And why would you be worshiping a personal from of God?
All Buddhists worship the Buddha, the Enlightenend One as
the image of Sri Badri at Badrinath. The Adi Shankara was
a good Buddhist, so he restored the ancient Buddhist temple
at Badri and he put the Badri Buddha statue inside.
Not stated anywhere in the link you provided.
Its your link STUPID read it again please
http://tinyurl.com/4c3n2g
w***@yahoo.com
2008-07-07 01:08:01 UTC
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According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the
Adi Shankaracharyya was born in 788 AD.
Not stated anywhere in the link you provided.
Letter to Svarupananda:
http://tinyurl.com/3euoba

You should not be disseminating disinformation, instead
you should just be truthful about the matter, Sir. You have
again been found in error. The Adi Shankara was born in
788 AD, not *before* the historical Buddha; the Kanchi
Matha is not one of the *original* four; and the Kanchi
Matha Swami has been discredited. These are the facts.

"Santananda passed away in late 1997, and Vasudevananda
Sarasvati is currently the sole representative of this lineage."
- Vidyasankar Sundaresan

The Jyotirmaha Sankaracarya Lineage in the 20th Century:
http://indology.info/papers/sundaresan/

"A branch of the Sringeri math was established in Kumbhakonam,
the building for which was constructed in 1821 AD..."

Read more:

Real history of the Kanchi math:
http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/alt_hindu_msg.html
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