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Crazywise film (free online until March 28)
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David Dalton
2017-03-25 04:07:05 UTC
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You might find the new documentary Crazywise, which is about
mental health and spiritual awakening, of interest. It is about
80 minutes long and can be watched for free until March 28 at
https://vimeo.com/201079582/37ea6dd390

Also there is an associated hour-long panel discussion, entitled
"Rethinking Madness: Psychosis and Spiritual Awakening"
recorded on March 22, which is available indefinitely at

and which includes the movie trailer. The panel discussion
includes some of the experts from the film taking questions
from the moderator and from the then live online audience.
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Anon
2017-03-29 00:37:31 UTC
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Post by David Dalton
You might find the new documentary Crazywise, which is about
mental health and spiritual awakening, of interest. It is about
80 minutes long and can be watched for free until March 28 at
https://vimeo.com/201079582/37ea6dd390
Also there is an associated hour-long panel discussion, entitled
"Rethinking Madness: Psychosis and Spiritual Awakening"
recorded on March 22, which is available indefinitely at
http://youtu.be/4LO1RtI3tk8
and which includes the movie trailer. The panel discussion
includes some of the experts from the film taking questions
from the moderator and from the then live online audience.
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness.
The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money.
Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be
exposed as dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics
which are being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be
exposed as problems with the gut.

www.cchr.org for chronology of pharmaceutical drug issues.


--
Anonymous

Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies

2.50.55


"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles


http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/09/29/feel-good-hoax-how-us-propaganda-works-in-the-syrian-war/
"‘Feel Good Hoax’: How US Propaganda Works in the Syrian War
September 29, 2016 By 21wire 1 Comment

21st Century Wire says…

One thing is certain about the War on Syria: the propaganda war being
waged by the west and all of its agencies, from government to
corporate media, to charities and third sector NGOs – is much larger
and more pernicious than anything seen in modern history."
Mo Onions
2017-03-29 03:58:36 UTC
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Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?

Or is that just more bloviation?
Bob Officer
2017-03-29 23:45:58 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
Or is that just more bloviation?
It just nonsense her normal output.

Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.

She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.

Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.

Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.

What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?

Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.

Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity

Mo Onions
2017-03-30 03:57:34 UTC
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Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
Or is that just more bloviation?
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
She likes to lambast J. D. Rockefeller, but it was his initial
charitable contribution that jump-started the growth and development
of evidence-based medicine.
Bob Officer
2017-03-30 18:12:26 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
Or is that just more bloviation?
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
She likes to lambast J. D. Rockefeller, but it was his initial
charitable contribution that jump-started the growth and development
of evidence-based medicine.
Yet Carnegie and Mellon both richer than Rockefeller gave far more to
higher education during the same time period. Their foundations are still
active giving money away. I worked for some groups which had grants from
dozens of charities. The youth summer camp a non profit got a 200,000
dollar grant to correct some plumbing and electrical problems. This allowed
them not to raise prices to pay for upgrades and repairs. Locally the their
are a dozen family foundations that have given more money than Rockefeller
ever did. Mondavii , Gates, and Gallo foundations make Rockefeller's
donation look like cheap change. The University of California manages
billions of dollars in donations, grants and gifts.

Carole fell the fallacy of big numbers and her mind, what little there is
got stuck.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
Anon
2017-04-03 17:42:22 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part on
their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a
classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept
well hidden from the public by big pharma.
When is the last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a
disease?
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970 and
if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars, strep isn't
such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't see your point.
Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria indiscriminately, good and
bad. There are also bacteria that are mutating into super bugs that
aren't treatable with antibiotics.

It comes down to nutrition and other remedies.
There are a whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks
to big pharma.

Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long


Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture.
There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for
over 100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and
keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that modern
science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.

The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health.
This is due to the fact that it is based big pharma lies and spin.


--
Anonymous

"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012

Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."

"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."

Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55


"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles



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Mo Onions
2017-04-03 18:48:40 UTC
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Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness.
The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money.
Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning
to be exposed as dangerous, there are alternative solutions for
antibiotics which are being suppressed, and mental conditions
are beginning to be exposed as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as
effective as antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part
on their immunity, some people become sicker than others. Immunity
depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a classic
example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept well
hidden from the public by big pharma. When is the last time your
doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a disease?
He prescribed a vitamin D3 supplement recently.
Does that count?

By the way, you didn't name any alternatives to pharmaceutical
antibiotic medications, not even for the scurvy you cited.

What's up with that?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
I'm not Bob.
I'm Mo.
Post by Anon
www.cchr.org says it all.
That site has been robustly criticized as false by many credible
sources. Why do you say it is credible and not false?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every
action has at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction
and unintended reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream.
Tetanus killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf,
chicken pox caused blindness, here was dozens of different diseases
and conditions which no alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
What statistics drawn from credible sources do you have to support your
claim that measles are caused by malnutrition or lack of hygiene?

Of those diseases named, what nutrients would have prevented them?

Please be specific.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Can you name a study that was "rigged" by the pharmaceutical industry?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water
would make them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970
and if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the
chemo?
What alternative treatments are effective against different forms of cancer?
Please be specific.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart
disease where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral
hearth valve and has been reinfected years later with a group A
Streptococcus bacteria. For that matter does she remember how many
children used to die from strep infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars,
What are they?
Post by Anon
strep isn't such a dangerous disease for most people.
Strep can be lead to serious complications if not treated properly, such
as kidney inflammation or rheumatic fever.
Post by Anon
I don't see your point. Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria
indiscriminately, good and bad. There are also bacteria that are
mutating into super bugs that aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies. There are a whole
range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks to big pharma.
What alternative remedies would you recommend for someone with strep?
Please be specific.
Post by Anon
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture. There
has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for over
100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and keep
the profits up.
How much money did Rockefeller contribute to modern medicine?
Surely you must know, or can find out, given your criticism.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and
deaf children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
Who would make up propaganda about dead, blind, deaf children, and
crippled adults with twisted limbs?

For what purpose?
Post by Anon
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that
modern science hasn't got a clue about.
If you don't trust the "propaganda" on the aforementioned children or
crippled adults, why do you trust the reports on autism that suggest
it's an epidemic?

Aren't the sources of that information essentially the same?

Why isn't the "epidemic of autism" also propaganda, in your view?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores
the reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was
developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
How do you know there is an "epidemic" of those conditions?
Post by Anon
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health. This is due to the fact that it is based big
pharma lies and spin.
What "lies and spin" has the pharmaceutical industry put forth that
leads directly to healthcare outcomes in the USA that don't match its
spending?

Please cite specific examples.

Aren't pharmaceutical industry products available and used in almost
every country in the world today, including those whose health outcomes
are better than the USA's?

How would you account for that?
Bob Officer
2017-04-04 01:48:54 UTC
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Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness.
The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money.
Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning
to be exposed as dangerous, there are alternative solutions for
antibiotics which are being suppressed, and mental conditions
are beginning to be exposed as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as
effective as antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part
on their immunity, some people become sicker than others. Immunity
depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a classic
example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept well
hidden from the public by big pharma. When is the last time your
doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a disease?
He prescribed a vitamin D3 supplement recently.
Does that count?
Notice she never actually answered the question.
Post by Mo Onions
By the way, you didn't name any alternatives to pharmaceutical
antibiotic medications, not even for the scurvy you cited.
Yep, she says a lot but in the end has said nothing.
Post by Mo Onions
What's up with that?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
I'm not Bob.
I'm Mo.
HI Mo!
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
www.cchr.org says it all.
That site has been robustly criticized as false by many credible
sources. Why do you say it is credible and not false?
Even she panned it, a few times. The writings and work of its founder were
fair until he was corrupted by elron's money.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every
action has at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction
and unintended reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream.
Tetanus killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf,
chicken pox caused blindness, here was dozens of different diseases
and conditions which no alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
What statistics drawn from credible sources do you have to support your
claim that measles are caused by malnutrition or lack of hygiene?
Sadly she keeps citing well refuted pages. The drops in disease deaths
alway coincide with intro suction of some new mode medical intervention
coming to market.
Post by Mo Onions
Of those diseases named, what nutrients would have prevented them?
Please be specific.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Can you name a study that was "rigged" by the pharmaceutical industry?
The best study to date done in a homeopathic lab fell short of the mark,
and actually shown that homeopathic was nothing more than a placebo effect.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water
would make them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970
and if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the
chemo?
What alternative treatments are effective against different forms of cancer?
Please be specific.
None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart
disease where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral
hearth valve and has been reinfected years later with a group A
Streptococcus bacteria. For that matter does she remember how many
children used to die from strep infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars,
What are they?
She doesn't answer. The scars are caused by the wounds made by the Strep
virus. Any subsequent infection seem to zero in on these old wounds.

She mentions a mysterious set alternative remedies, but nothing specific. I
point out once more Carole is putting out nothing but hot air.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
strep isn't such a dangerous disease for most people.
With modern medical intervention. Without it killed and maimed 1000s of
children a year.
Post by Mo Onions
Strep can be lead to serious complications if not treated properly, such
as kidney inflammation or rheumatic fever.
And those complications can kill and permanently impact the life of the
child.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
I don't see your point. Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria
indiscriminately, good and bad. There are also bacteria that are
mutating into super bugs that aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies. There are a whole
range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks to big pharma.
What alternative remedies would you recommend for someone with strep?
Please be specific.
She can't
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture. There
has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for over
100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and keep
the profits up.
How much money did Rockefeller contribute to modern medicine?
Surely you must know, or can find out, given your criticism.
He contributes far less than Carnegie, Mellon, or Stanford.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and
deaf children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
Who would make up propaganda about dead, blind, deaf children, and
crippled adults with twisted limbs?
The stats do not lie.
But Carole does. I have posted the numbers here time and time again.to
repost them for Carole's benefit is a waste of my time.
Post by Mo Onions
For what purpose?
Post by Anon
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that
modern science hasn't got a clue about.
If you don't trust the "propaganda" on the aforementioned children or
crippled adults, why do you trust the reports on autism that suggest
it's an epidemic?
Aren't the sources of that information essentially the same?
Yes.
Post by Mo Onions
Why isn't the "epidemic of autism" also propaganda, in your view?
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores
the reason it didn't work is why modern evidence based medicine was
developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
How do you know there is an "epidemic" of those conditions?
It is better reporting and better diagnosis. More consumable wealth which
can be spent to treat those conditions.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health. This is due to the fact that it is based big
pharma lies and spin.
What "lies and spin" has the pharmaceutical industry put forth that
leads directly to healthcare outcomes in the USA that don't match its
spending?
The health care costs if you removed the 25-40 profit and administration
fee would bring the cost down to the normal price for everywhere else there
is single payer healthcare.
Post by Mo Onions
Please cite specific examples.
Aren't pharmaceutical industry products available and used in almost
every country in the world today, including those whose health outcomes
are better than the USA's?
How would you account for that?
US tax payers and health consumers have long subsidized the 3rd world's
healthcare.

Big pharma has supplies of so called orphan treatments for rare conditions
that happen one in a million. Every year I read where the Big pharma got
US government to use a fighter jock to fly a treatment for some rare
disease halfway around the world. She seems to forget that one.
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kaye
2017-04-05 18:27:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part on
their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a
classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept
well hidden from the public by big pharma.
When is the last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a
disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for antibiotics would
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would not be
treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question that was asked. You
changed the goalposts here in order to avoid admitting that you don't know.
Now if you really knew anything about alternatives you would have an
answer. I know of several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you
refused to answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Kaye
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970 and
if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars, strep isn't
such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't see your point.
Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria indiscriminately, good and
bad. There are also bacteria that are mutating into super bugs that
aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies.
There are a whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks
to big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture.
There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for
over 100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and
keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that modern
science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health.
This is due to the fact that it is based big pharma lies and spin.
--
Anonymous
"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012
Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."
Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55
"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
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2017-04-06 03:32:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part on
their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a
classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept
well hidden from the public by big pharma.
When is the last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a
disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
Post by kaye
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would not be
treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question that was asked. You
changed the goalposts here in order to avoid admitting that you don't know.
Now if you really knew anything about alternatives you would have an
answer. I know of several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you
refused to answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Kaye
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970 and
if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars, strep isn't
such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't see your point.
Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria indiscriminately, good and
bad. There are also bacteria that are mutating into super bugs that
aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies.
There are a whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks
to big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture.
There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for
over 100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and
keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that modern
science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health.
This is due to the fact that it is based big pharma lies and spin.
--
Anonymous
"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012
Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."
Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55
"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
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2017-04-06 04:20:09 UTC
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Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part on
their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a
classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept
well hidden from the public by big pharma.
When is the last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a
disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
So potent you need to eat 4-10 pounds of nasturtium to get the dosage
required to equal one antibiotic pill. It isn't a real remedy and when
people are sick offering them teas made from the leaves of nasturtium would
not be effective. The limited scope of the antibiotic against some
pathogens really make this so called most powerful plant antibiotic fairly
useless.

So this is why you really don't need to have any attention paid to you.
These anti biopics didn't work well and the leaves had to be fresh, not
dried.
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would not be
treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question that was asked. You
changed the goalposts here in order to avoid admitting that you don't know.
Now if you really knew anything about alternatives you would have an
answer. I know of several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you
refused to answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Kaye
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970 and
if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars, strep isn't
such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't see your point.
Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria indiscriminately, good and
bad. There are also bacteria that are mutating into super bugs that
aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies.
There are a whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks
to big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture.
There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for
over 100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and
keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that modern
science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health.
This is due to the fact that it is based big pharma lies and spin.
--
Anonymous
"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012
Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."
Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55
"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
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2017-04-06 04:22:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental
illness. The pharmaceutical industry is only interested in
money. Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects, vaccines are
beginning to be exposed as dangerous, there are alternative
solutions for antibiotics which are being suppressed, and
mental conditions are beginning to be exposed as problems
with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as
effective as antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large
part on their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie
a classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but
kept well hidden from the public by big pharma. When is the last
time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
Tropaeolum, commonly known as nasturtium, literally "nose-twister" or
"nose-tweaker," is a genus of roughly 80 species of annual and perennial
herbaceous flowering plants.

Nasturtiums have been used in herbal medicine for their antiseptic and
expectorant qualities. They are said to be good for chest colds and to
promote the formation of new blood cells.

Tropaeolum majus has been used in herbal medicine for respiratory and
urinary tract infections.

http://www.pfaf.org/user/Plant.aspx?LatinName=Tropaeolum+minus

http://www.anthromed.org/Article.aspx?artpk=248
kaye
2017-04-06 14:50:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large part on
their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies, ie a
classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases but kept
well hidden from the public by big pharma.
When is the last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a
disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
Here in the USA it's called nasturtium. It's not the alternative med I was
thinking. I think if I had an infection I'll go with the proven
antibiotics. The point I was making was that Carole really doesn't know.
Her whole regimen is baking soda and cream of tartar from the baking aisle
of the grocery store.
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would not be
treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question that was asked. You
changed the goalposts here in order to avoid admitting that you don't know.
Now if you really knew anything about alternatives you would have an
answer. I know of several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you
refused to answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Kaye
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob.
www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her, every action has
at least one reaction. There are only intended reaction and unintended
reactions Or effects and unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a dream. Tetanus
killed, measles killed or left people,blind and deaf, chicken pox caused
blindness, here was dozens of different diseases and conditions which no
alternative treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths caused by
malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something which
their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold water would make
them warm. That is e thought process behind homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to heal
people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced since 1970 and
if a person recovers from their cancer they then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic heart disease
where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on the mitral hearth valve and
has been reinfected years later with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For
that matter does she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars, strep isn't
such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't see your point.
Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria indiscriminately, good and
bad. There are also bacteria that are mutating into super bugs that
aren't treatable with antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies.
There are a whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks
to big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical Industry -
12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money and
collusion to keep alternative competition out of the picture.
There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of alternatives for
over 100 years in order to keep pharmaceutical medicine on top and
keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind and deaf
children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda.
We certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that modern
science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but ignores the
reason it work is why modern evidence based medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an epidemic of
chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is way
down the list on health.
This is due to the fact that it is based big pharma lies and spin.
--
Anonymous
"George Orwell understood the whistleblower’s dilemma well when he
said: “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will
hate those that speak it.” And that is where the concept of cognitive
dissonance comes in, being willfully blind or ignorant when being
confronted by new truths."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-dangerous-drugs-and-drug-insured-patients/5485012
Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand
something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Propaganda - nobody does it better than America
http://tinyurl.com/d5xqmra
"Over the years, I have had the privilege of meeting and having
discussions with people who came to America from countries known for
their adherence to totalitarianism: China, Russia, and former east
European satellites of the Soviet Union. When we discussed how the
state managed to control public opinion under totalitarianism, these
people would usually produce a weary, knowledgeable, cynical smile and
point out that propaganda in those countries was really done quite
incompetently.
If you really want to know propaganda, they said, you need to study
American propaganda technique. According to them, it is, undeniably,
the best in the world."
"The expatriates explained that bad propaganda uses obvious
terminology that anyone can see through. ...American propaganda,
however, is much cleverer. American propaganda, they patiently
explained, relies entirely on emotional appeals. It doesn’t depend on
a rational theory that can be disproved: it appeals to things no one
can object to."
Big Pharma Big Money : Documentary on the Money and Corruption of Big
Pharmaceutical Companies
http://youtu.be/ojZn1P1CxJE
2.50.55
"I saw hundreds of patients in my practice who were totally unaware
that their drug could cause permanent tardive dyskinesia, dementia,
brain damage, permanent drug-induced disabilities, temporary or
permanent sexual dysfunction, akathisia, violence, aggression,
homicidality, suicidality, Parkinsonism, depression, mania, psychotic
reactions, atrophy (shrinkage) of the brain, diabetes, obesity,
insomnia, hyperlipidemia, loss of IQ points, loss of memory, etc, etc,
all of which they or their physicians could have read about in the
pharmacy’s prescription handouts or in the PDR (Physician’s Desk
Reference).
http://www.globalresearch.ca/big-pharma-and-the-money-making-business-of-medicine/5485017?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
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Mo Onions
2017-04-06 17:12:15 UTC
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Post by kaye
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental
illness. The pharmaceutical industry is only interested
in money. Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects,
vaccines are beginning to be exposed as dangerous, there
are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are being
suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be
exposed as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as
effective as antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large
part on their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies,
ie a classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases
but kept well hidden from the public by big pharma. When is the
last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for
antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
Here in the USA it's called nasturtium. It's not the alternative med
I was thinking. I think if I had an infection I'll go with the
proven antibiotics. The point I was making was that Carole really
doesn't know. Her whole regimen is baking soda and cream of tartar
from the baking aisle of the grocery store.
Not only does Carole not know, but she makes it her business not to know.

She got trained in English language arts, so as an exercise or hobby via
forum participation, she's advocates for propositions, namely, that
modern evidence-based medicine along with pharmaceuticals are worse than
what went before them.

"Alternative medicine" becomes one of her talking points, albeit a
hollow and empty one because she never cites evidence to support it,
as with almost everything else in her repertoire.

She couldn't care less about the details of something like naturtium.

She appears to have suffered unsatisfactory experiences with standard
medicine in Australian health care, but the question is how much of that
was the result of her faulty communication with her providers.

She convinces no one because she fails to take into account her intended
audience. One of the hallmarks of good advocacy or debate practice
is to present meaningful rebuttal to the other side's talking points.

Carole believes putting her nonsense out there is enough.
Sadly, she doesn't catch on that it isn't.
Post by kaye
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would
not be treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question
that was asked. You changed the goalposts here in order to
avoid admitting that you don't know. Now if you really knew
anything about alternatives you would have an answer. I know of
several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you refused to
answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob. www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her,
every action has at least one reaction. There are only
intended reaction and unintended reactions Or effects and
unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a
dream. Tetanus killed, measles killed or left people,blind
and deaf, chicken pox caused blindness, here was dozens of
different diseases and conditions which no alternative
treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths
caused by malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something
which their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold
water would make them warm. That is e thought process behind
homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to
heal people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced
since 1970 and if a person recovers from their cancer they
then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic
heart disease where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on
the mitral hearth valve and has been reinfected years later
with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For that matter does
she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars,
strep isn't such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't
see your point. Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria
indiscriminately, good and bad. There are also bacteria that
are mutating into super bugs that aren't treatable with
antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies. There are a
whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks to
big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical
Industry - 12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money
and collusion to keep alternative competition out of the
picture. There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of
alternatives for over 100 years in order to keep
pharmaceutical medicine on top and keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind
and deaf children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda. We
certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that
modern science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but
ignores the reason it work is why modern evidence based
medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an
epidemic of chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism
etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is
way down the list on health. This is due to the fact that it
is based big pharma lies and spin.
Lu
2017-04-08 00:28:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
Post by Anon
On Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:45:58 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Post by Anon
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental
illness. The pharmaceutical industry is only interested
in money. Pharmaceutical drugs have side effects,
vaccines are beginning to be exposed as dangerous, there
are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are being
suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be
exposed as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as
effective as antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
How a person reacts to illness or infection depends to a large
part on their immunity, some people become sicker than others.
Immunity depends mostly on whether a person has deficiencies,
ie a classic example is scurvy. There are many more such cases
but kept well hidden from the public by big pharma. When is the
last time your doctor prescribed nutrients to treat a disease?
Carole, you were asked what an alternative solution for
antibiotics would
In germany it is called "Kapuzinerkresse", the most potent plant
antibiotic so far known!
Here in the USA it's called nasturtium. It's not the alternative med
I was thinking. I think if I had an infection I'll go with the
proven antibiotics. The point I was making was that Carole really
doesn't know. Her whole regimen is baking soda and cream of tartar
from the baking aisle of the grocery store.
Not only does Carole not know, but she makes it her business not to know.
She got trained in English language arts, so as an exercise or hobby via
forum participation, she's advocates for propositions, namely, that
modern evidence-based medicine along with pharmaceuticals are worse than
what went before them.
"Alternative medicine" becomes one of her talking points, albeit a
hollow and empty one because she never cites evidence to support it,
as with almost everything else in her repertoire.
She couldn't care less about the details of something like naturtium.
She appears to have suffered unsatisfactory experiences with standard
medicine in Australian health care, but the question is how much of that
was the result of her faulty communication with her providers.
She convinces no one because she fails to take into account her intended
audience. One of the hallmarks of good advocacy or debate practice
is to present meaningful rebuttal to the other side's talking points.
Carole believes putting her nonsense out there is enough.
Sadly, she doesn't catch on that it isn't.
Well said.
Post by Mo Onions
Post by rainbowdragon
Post by kaye
be. You respond with some mumbo jumbo about scurvy which would
not be treated with antibiotics anyway. Answer the question
that was asked. You changed the goalposts here in order to
avoid admitting that you don't know. Now if you really knew
anything about alternatives you would have an answer. I know of
several alternative "natural antibiotics " so that you refused to
answer shows us all that you really don't know alternative meds
like you pretend to.
Post by Anon
Post by Bob Officer
Post by Mo Onions
Or is that just more bloviation?
Not at all bob. www.cchr.org says it all.
Post by Bob Officer
It just nonsense her normal output.
Maybe she doesn't really understand the world around her,
every action has at least one reaction. There are only
intended reaction and unintended reactions Or effects and
unintended effects.
She dreams that alternative medicine worked is just that a
dream. Tetanus killed, measles killed or left people,blind
and deaf, chicken pox caused blindness, here was dozens of
different diseases and conditions which no alternative
treatment worked.
Did these diseases really kill anybody, or were the deaths
caused by malnutrition and/or lack of hygiene?
Post by Bob Officer
Even her much ballyhooed homeopathy fails to work.
Says big pharma with some of their rigged studies, something
which their whole house of cards is built on.
Post by Bob Officer
Who would think if a person is cold soaking them in cold
water would make them warm. That is e thought process behind
homeopathy.
Whereas with chemo, a carcinogenic poison, it is supposed to
heal people? Is this why the war on cancer has not advanced
since 1970 and if a person recovers from their cancer they
then die of the chemo?
Post by Bob Officer
What alternative medicine would be used to treat rheumatic
heart disease where the patient has rheumatic fever scars on
the mitral hearth valve and has been reinfected years later
with a group A Streptococcus bacteria. For that matter does
she remember how many children used to die from strep
infections before antibiotics?
There are some alternative remedies that deal with scars,
strep isn't such a dangerous disease for most people. I don't
see your point. Antibiotics are overused and kill bacteria
indiscriminately, good and bad. There are also bacteria that
are mutating into super bugs that aren't treatable with
antibiotics.
It comes down to nutrition and other remedies. There are a
whole range of remedies that have been suppressed thanks to
big pharma.
Rockefellers And The Medical, Pharmaceutical and Chemical
Industry - 12 minutes long
http://youtu.be/e438TTflrdg
Details how modern medicine was created with Rockefeller money
and collusion to keep alternative competition out of the
picture. There has been ongoing propaganda and suppression of
alternatives for over 100 years in order to keep
pharmaceutical medicine on top and keep the profits up.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole would take us back to an era of dead children, blind
and deaf children and crippled adults wit twist limbs.
We don't know how much of this is true or just propaganda. We
certainly know there is an epidemic of autism going on that
modern science hasn't got a clue about.
Post by Bob Officer
Carole likes to pretend alternative medicine is great, but
ignores the reason it work is why modern evidence based
medicine was developed.
So instead of the occasional death from a disease we an
epidemic of chronic disease, asthma, allergies, ADHD, autism
etc.
The US spends more than any other country on healthcare but is
way down the list on health. This is due to the fact that it
is based big pharma lies and spin.
Lu
2017-03-30 01:43:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
Or is that just more bloviation?
Are antibiotics the subject of this thread?
Bob Officer
2017-03-30 17:55:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lu
Post by Mo Onions
Pharmaceutical drugs aren't the solution for mental illness. The
pharmaceutical industry is only interested in money. Pharmaceutical
drugs have side effects, vaccines are beginning to be exposed as
dangerous, there are alternative solutions for antibiotics which are
being suppressed, and mental conditions are beginning to be exposed
as problems with the gut.
What exactly are the alternative solutions, allegedly as effective as
antibiotic medications, and being suppressed?
Or is that just more bloviation?
Are antibiotics the subject of this thread?
No it is psycho-medication, the OP, would be lost without them. With them
he is a product member of society.

Carole must have had a close encounter with them in the past because the
CO$ and their front CCHR are anti psychiatric drug, because their dead
leader ElRon was nuttier than a fruitcake.
--
Dunning's work explained in clear, concise and simple terms.
John Cleese on Stupidity
http://youtu.be/wvVPdyYeaQU
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