Talk about yoga...

[omjaroo]

Hi alt.yoga!

Any real humans still show up in this group? I've been away for 9 years. As far as I can tell, nothing but spam and theist propaganda here. Same as what killed it 9 years ago. But if there is anyone out there who wishes to discuss yoga or has a question. I'm here for awhile :-)

Jared

[David Dalton]

Post by omjaroo
Hi alt.yoga!
Any real humans still show up in this group? I've been away for 9 years. As
far as I can tell, nothing but spam and theist propaganda here. Same as what
killed it 9 years ago. But if there is anyone out there who wishes to discuss
yoga or has a question. I'm here for awhile :-)
Jared

I’m guilty of some off-topic posting, but I did get up to Level II
(two levels above beginner) in Iyengar yoga by the end of
1995. However since 1997 I haven’t practiced much, and
my long purple yoga mat and long strap and four green foam
blocks have been under my bed for a while, but I may drag
them out soon.

[omjaroo]

Pleased to meet you David

Post by David Dalton
I’m guilty of some off-topic posting,

It appears you've been virtually by yourself here holding down the fort. So I'm sure you will be forgiven, by whoever is in charge of doing that :-)

I see you are interested in things, mystical. Does any aspect of yoga inform your interests in this area?

Jared

[David Dalton]

Post by omjaroo
Pleased to meet you David

Post by David Dalton
I’m guilty of some off-topic posting,

It appears you've been virtually by yourself here holding down the fort. So
I'm sure you will be forgiven, by whoever is in charge of doing that :-)
I see you are interested in things, mystical. Does any aspect of yoga inform
your interests in this area?

Well, I think I received spontaneous shaktipat (proximity induced
kundalini awakening) when I first met my yoga teacher Gioia
Irwin, and that was one factor that led to my first mystic manic
episode which culminated in a sun stare, naked thorn hill climb,
and blue rose vision, and subsequent hospitalization, during which
after the first week I was allowed to go off campus to attend
yoga class.

During chakra related meditation/visualization as an occasional
part of yoga class I experienced some more effects, including
a strong warming/throbbing to the right of my third eye during
pranayama on one occasion, and a sensation of sparks going
out the back top of my head on another occasion.

I have also over the years, though not recently, experienced
certain mystic flying/living (hummingbird) sparks. Since the
first such one occurred when Gioia Irwin was demonstrating
Valakhilyasana, I attribute them to Valakhilya, said to be
thumb sized entities that follow the sun’s chariot, which I
also call little messengers of the sun and consider to be
a form of angels.

If I ever decide to gradually taper off my bipolar medication
then I would certainly have to have a regular yoga
asana, pranayama, and meditation practice.

[omjaroo]

Post by David Dalton
Well, I think I received spontaneous shaktipat (proximity induced
kundalini awakening) when I first met my yoga teacher Gioia
Irwin

Interesting... What did Gioia say about it? if you don't mind saying or me asking.

[David Dalton]

Post by omjaroo

Post by David Dalton
Well, I think I received spontaneous shaktipat (proximity induced
kundalini awakening) when I first met my yoga teacher Gioia
Irwin

Interesting... What did Gioia say about it? if you don't mind saying or me asking.

Well, I didn’t really start talking much with others much about my 1991
experiences until 1997, and I last saw Gioia in December, 1995
so I haven’t discussed it with her yet, but I probably should
write her a long email. But I doubt she knew the spontaneous
(not willed) shaktipat happened. Also I didn’t know it was
shaktipat at the time but have just come to realize that since
then. What happened was that I met her to give her a cheque
for yoga class and there seemed to be a transfer of energy
or tuning from her to me, and I sort of bounced up the hill
to home, and several hours later (after clear sky lightning)
my first manic episode began. I describe the shaktipat as
a transfer of the incredible lightness of being.

[omjaroo]

Post by David Dalton
Well, I didn’t really start talking much with others much about my 1991
experiences until 1997, and I last saw Gioia in December, 1995
so I haven’t discussed it with her yet,

David, the reason I ask is, it sounds like you are saying that you take bipolar meds to mitigate or control reactions to the shaktipat If this is the case, I would think you would have a keen interest in continuing to clear the nadis to reduce kundalini toxicity. In which case you would want to make contact with, study under and take prescription/guidance from a highly experienced kundalini practitioner/teacher. But seems this has been happening for a long time. Perhaps you are doing all of this and/or other things I am not aware of and I am all wet on this. If this is the case please forgive me any ill-informed comments.

Do you confidently understand what is happening, have everything under control and are comfortable with your situation?

Jared

[David Dalton]

Post by omjaroo

Post by David Dalton
Well, I didn’t really start talking much with others much about my 1991
experiences until 1997, and I last saw Gioia in December, 1995
so I haven’t discussed it with her yet,

David, the reason I ask is, it sounds like you are saying that you take
bipolar meds to mitigate or control reactions to the shaktipat If this is the
case, I would think you would have a keen interest in continuing to clear the
nadis to reduce kundalini toxicity. In which case you would want to make
contact with, study under and take prescription/guidance from a highly
experienced kundalini practitioner/teacher. But seems this has been happening
for a long time. Perhaps you are doing all of this and/or other things I am
not aware of and I am all wet on this. If this is the case please forgive me
any ill-informed comments.
Do you confidently understand what is happening, have everything under
control and are comfortable with your situation?
Jared

I’m not on high doses of medication at the moment and plan to
gradually taper off them when I come out of the low/wilderness
years (achieve awakening/enlightenment, noting that I have
some evidence that I am an avatar type or buddha type).

Also I have not had a waning crescent high since September 2004
and have not had a waxing gibbous moon trial since July 1997,
and my mental health has been quite good since 2005, though
I have contnued to try and get my four components (global
new age onset magickal workings) activated, though I have
resolved that my latest attempt will be my last one at least
until I come out of the low years, and perhaps even then.

So anyway, I have not been experiencing any deleterious
kundalini effects, and feel quite grounded. But certainly if
I was to gradually taper off my medication I would probably
be wise to resume asana, pranayama, and meditation
practices and be more careful about sleep habits and diet
and alcohol (which I currently abstain from 1--9 days before
full moon) and caffeine intake. Also I might take classes
again from an expert yoga teacher such as Beverly Winsor
or Meranda Squires, both local to St. John’s, assuming that
I stay here and do not return to Vancouver.

But anyway, yes, everything is under control, including that
I do not believe for sure that my magickal workings are
having an effect yet, so if they are not, I am not delusional,
unlike during waxing gibbous moon of June 1996,
which resulted in my last hospitalization.

But thanks for you concern and your suggestions.

[David Dalton]

Post by David Dalton
I’m not on high doses of medication at the moment and plan to
gradually taper off them when I come out of the low/wilderness
years (achieve awakening/enlightenment, noting that I have
some evidence that I am an avatar type or buddha type).
Also I have not had a waning crescent high since September 2004

Oops, that should have read September 1994.

Also the shaktipat was just one factor that contributed to my
first waning crescent high. Other factors were the phase of
the moon, an M-class solar flare a couple of days before onset,
and clear sky lightning (which I speculate was due to solar
activity affecting the ionosphere) a few hours before onset.
Also three of my four later waning crescent highs had onsets
5.5 lunar months after onsets of waxing gibbous moon trials,
so they had a sort of gestation period, which allowed me to
predict the last one.

Post by David Dalton
and have not had a waxing gibbous moon trial since July 1997,
and my mental health has been quite good since 2005, though
I have contnued to try and get my four components (global
new age onset magickal workings) activated, though I have
resolved that my latest attempt will be my last one at least
until I come out of the low years, and perhaps even then.

[omjaroo]

Post by David Dalton
But anyway, yes, everything is under control,
But thanks for you concern and your suggestions.

Thanks for the detailed response and it's great to hear. I personally do little study or engagement in the occult/magic area so many of your references are lost on me. Because these things are of the phenomenal world (maya) they hold little interest for me. Given my own history of physic experience, I have no wish to play around with any of that stuff :-)Over the years I have only learned one simple defensive measure to block unwanted/uninvited physic influence and that has sufficed for me and those close to me ;-) However clearing and strengthening the nadis on an ongoing basis, still confers benefit for me or anyone, even on the gross physical plane. That is Yama/Niyama does a body good!

I wish you good fortune in all of your endeavors. And now its time to go back to trying to entice/attract yogis to this news group :-)Any and all ideas are welcomed!

Currently I am posting in r/inneryoga at (reddit.com) It's very different than usenet. They work hard to eliminate the negatives of usenet and forums. But I'm not sure if it isn't a bit like throwing out the baby with the bath water. Haven't decided if I like it or not :-) Oh well, I just started so I'll give it the old college try! Besides people need help no matter where or what platform they are trying to communicate on...

Jared

[indseeker]

Post by omjaroo
Hi alt.yoga!
Any real humans still show up in this group? I've been away for 9 years. As far as I can tell, nothing but spam and theist propaganda here. Same as what killed it 9 years ago. But if there is anyone out there who wishes to discuss yoga or has a question. I'm here for awhile :-)
Jared

Hi Jared,
Good to hear from you again! I remember you (and some others I also miss, J. D. Campbell, Stuart Resnick etc- ring a bell?) from back when this used to be a lively & relevant (if often quirky) forum. I've kept checking this place of & on for years, only to be met with all sorts of spam. Well, maybe this will start a revival of sorts.
Best,
P. S.